Education V Experience

[Kathy S]

Just to pass the time before we get the edit suite working: I thought I would ask an age-old question, it normally starts up a mighty row on shooting people- but I think the results will be different on here. Which is more important to help you find a job- education or experience.

Are universities (and film schools) a load of crap? Using out of date equipment, industry failure lecturers, learning useless information, not a realistic representation of the industry, overpriced, full of people who aren?t interested in the subject. And only leads to a piece of paper that everyone ignores- and never asks about.

Or is working for other people (for free) a quick way to bankrupt yourself, work ludicrously long hours for very little in return, being treated like a nobody and being made to make endless cups of tea. Is making your own films a waste of money because the chances are nobody will ever watch them and you wont make money from them?

Will we ever get our foot in the door and what will it be that does it. Education, experience or a combination of both? (Or is it contacts, sleeping around and general persistence?)

Just asking

K


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[eddie]

Same as any job:
Luck, Contacts knowledge and Professionalism - but in filmmaking contacts are far more important than anything else.


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[Chance1234]

id say its down to three things

1.The Individual
2.Knowledge
3.how the individual uses his knowledge.

im the original college drop out, film aside ive worked by way to a very amicable position. i work for myself earn extremly good number and hold extremly important positions, on the other hadn someone with a degree could a lot mroe easier step into my role, doesnt mean theyll be any good at it but they have that bit of paper, which i match with 5 years of gold experience which have taken blood and sweat to get.



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[Chance1234]

pressed enter too soon,!

film side, im trteating it as a business which is where my skills lie. im confident that i can make my production company work, as i know i have the skills to make it work.




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who shoots on DVCAM and is proud of the fact

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[GrizzlyAdams]

Sleeping around could work. Im just too choosy.

a slice of education with a dash of edxperience.
lie about one or the other till you get the other

now, unless I pick 6 lucky numbers im not giving up the day job and going to film school; so I have to rely on 'experience, trial and error, reading, watching and observation'

most further education is 3 times longer than it needs ot be BECAUSE of the old farts who couldnt cut it or never tried to cut it.
seriously, it should take less than 6 months to get a good understanding of all the technical points and then a lifetime of refing their usage by the aformentioned 'experience, trial and error, observation etc'

but what do I know. my last film will still be my first. my first wont be my last - unless I move to china.

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Grizz:

Why does everything hurt

[Kathy S]

As much as 6 months?- I bet someone with half a brain could pick up the basics in two weeks...

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[GrizzlyAdams]

thats me.

half a brain

and its the usefull half. beer drinking, football watching, curry eating,



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Grizz:

Why does everything hurt

[no_one119]

Are any of us really qualified to answer that question? Have any of us made it? Unlikely, and therefore how can we say "well this is what you need to get into film."



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[miker]

Age old:
"It's not what you know, it's who you know"

Universities etc. help by bringing people likeminded together and providing the means to produce material, albeit perhaps antiquated and oversubscribed.

Know your limits. Then push.

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[Generic Skinhead]

Kathy-As a film student I am your case study. In 5 years I'll be at Cannes.

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Remember kids, Mr. Skin is here to make you think.